（受訪者：梁容培同學，十二歲，就讀桃園縣中壢市林森國小六年級)
C：梁容培同學你好。
L：妳好。
C：你今年幾歲？然後幾年級？就讀哪個國小？
L：12歲，六年級，林森國小。
C：中壢？
L：中壢市。
C：好，那我們現在要問有關於十二年國教的問題。就是像現在我…我今年大五，那在我以前國中升高中的時候，我要考基測，就是來證明我有那個能力進我成績相符的高中。可是到你們這一屆，就是之後都不需要再考高中了。就是像我們以前是九年一貫，就是國小六年加上國中三年，可是到你們就變成國小六年加國中三年，然後直接再加高中三年，就是六加三加三等於十二，你們就省去考高中那個關卡，那你覺得這樣子是好的嗎？你會喜歡這個政策嗎？
L：會啊。
C：為什麼？
L：因為就不用考試啊。
C：你會覺得不用考試直接升高中是覺得比較輕鬆嗎？就省去那個念書的麻煩？
L：對啊
C：可是你其實還是要念啊？因為你有沒有想過，就是你雖然國中升高中不用考那個試，可是你其實還是要面對…
L：會忘記一些，那個，就是會忘記一些那個東西。就是以前學過的那個
C：對，就是你知道考試就是要測驗，你有沒有學…
L：學好。
C：對，就是測驗你有沒有學好，有沒有把東西學好，你有沒有學起來。可是你看國中到高中這個步驟，沒了，那你會不會擔心高中，因為你們高中升大學還是要用考的。不知道以後政策會不會變，但是目前看來應該還是要用考的。那你會不會擔心這樣更測不出實力？
L：有點。
C：為什麼？
L：就是會影響到課業。
C：就是會影響到課業。就是你覺得好像沒有那個大考，就是平常的小考就無法測驗學生真正的實力在哪嗎？
L：對啊。就是…就是本來…就是認為他應該是很好很好的學生，就是感覺上很聰明，成績很好，可是結果就讓他失望。
C：讓誰失望？
L：讓老師。
C：喔..好。那我再問一下，那你覺得以後不需要就是透過考試進入高中，就等於成績好的，跟成績不好的，就可能很聰…呃，用功，不如說很用功跟沒有那麼用功的學生，會被分在同一個高中，一起念書，那你覺得這樣會影響你們的學習品質嗎？因為像如果我們當初就是一起參加基測，考高中的話，成績差不多的會被分在同一個學校，一起念書。那這樣的話其實大家的程度是不相上下的，至少不會差太多。那可是以後你們就是，就像在國中一樣，落差不會太大，那你覺得這樣會不會影響到你的學習品質？
L：嗯…不會。
C：你覺得不會？就是會有很用功的學生，可能你旁邊有一個很用功的學生，可是在你旁邊又有一個很不用功的學生，那你可能就是，念書的話，你覺得這樣教學，老師在教的上面，會不會就是開始，就很難拿捏到底要怎麼教比較好？
L：會啊。
C：畢竟你們以後還是要考大學，那教的話也是很重要。那你覺得這樣會不會影響到你學習的品質？
L：會。
C：因為你也覺得老師…誒可是你剛剛說不會。
L：齁因為我剛剛沒有想到。
C：沒有想到？
L：沒聽好。
C：沒聽好…
L：題目。
C：那問完這麼多，就是你自己也覺得可能會影響到，那你還是喜歡十二年國教這個政策嗎？
L：對啊。
C：還是喜歡啊？
L：嗯。
C：還是因為覺得輕鬆嗎？還是？
L：輕鬆。就是不會有太大的壓力。
C：可是你這樣考大學壓力搞不好會很大。
L：要考大學喔？
C：你還是要考大學啊！大家現在幾乎都是會考大學。還是你覺得沒關係，到時候再說就好了？
L：嗯…可是也要先有心理準備。
C：那所以你是喜歡還是不喜歡？
L：嗯…還好。
C：就變還好？一半喜歡一半不喜歡是不是？
L：是。
C：就是喜歡它的輕鬆，不喜歡它的就是沒有準備？
L：嗯。
C；就是你沒有準備就直接上了這樣子。
L：嗯。
C：好，那我們知道了。謝謝你這次配合我們，我的訪談，
L：謝謝。
C：謝謝，我才要謝謝你。好，謝謝。
（受訪者：梁容培同學的家長)
C：容培爸爸你好
D：老師妳好C：那我們今天就是要請問家長對於十二年國教的想法。就是會認為這樣是好的嗎？還是覺得這樣其實有很多缺失？就你大概會覺得這樣會影響小孩最後…因為最終還是大學目前來看，還是要用考的。
D：對。還是要用考的。
C：那你會覺得這樣子會不會其實是把壓力往後？
D：就是這樣的情形，但是我是覺得說，如果在那個…比較自然的狀況下去升到十二年的那個後面那三年的教育的話，可能對小朋友的性向可以提早的去發掘出來，讓他去就讀他喜歡的學校科目。
C：意思是說，不是因為為了要考那個高中，只是在那三年內可以說…他就適合理工的，或是他是適合文學，或甚至他不要唸一般大學，他可以轉去念別的專業的
D：對對對。據我所聽到的了解是這樣。
C：你覺得那三年是可以自由發展，更多時間可以來…就是更多時間來貫徹他小孩的興趣。所以你也是贊成，覺得這是個好的政策嗎？
D：我是比較偏向贊成這個政策這方面。
C：喔！因為一般家長會覺得好像少了那一關，就好像少了什麼一樣，就是沒有徹底…可能…
D：他們其實還是可能有一個測驗，只是那個測驗不是那麼的…呃對學科來講那麼的重要。因為它比較類似五育均衡的發展。
C：喔！所以上次那個，上次聊天有和媽媽問到，就是說他們要參加很多課外活動對不對？所以你是針對這點來看以後那三年？就是可能可以給學生跟小孩更好的多發展空間。是基於這樣子嗎？
D：也不一定。是說因為我看容培他對於真正的術科，可能學科不是真的那麼的強，如果說以這樣的學生，要再升高中的話，我覺得對於容培來講，比如他可以用其他的方式來增加他其他的分數。所以，因為它計算方式就是比較不是單一一個學科，他其他的分數也有加進去。
C：所以德智體群美都要一起列入計算？
D：對對對。所以我是對，認為說對容培的這種小朋友，他…比較適合他的發展。
C：可是那後來等於你要花很多時間要去參加一些課外或甚麼…那會不會覺得還是用傳統方式一次定生死，會不會反而也是減少很多麻煩？因為你這樣的話其實可能會很，就是更麻煩，要花好多時間，可能就是去準備正統學科之外，你還要陪他一起。
D：那其實像如果說聯考的話，聯考之前也是需要很長的時間也是準備考試，那一樣都是要一直準備啊。
C：可是我們以後，就是現在不知道會不會，可是以後大學最終還是要走這條路。
D：對，我也想過，雖然可以免試進入高中，但是高中畢業以後進入大學還是要經過一次考試。我後來想好像也是有…還是要過考試這一關！但是至少在高中這一個，或高職這個階段，他，小朋友可以堅確他的性向發展也是比較好。
C：所以容培爸爸是喜歡讓小孩有快樂的發展空間的。
D：對，希望他在快樂中學習。
C：就是不想要…就是覺得用考試來當門檻是一個比較…比較狹隘的作法對不對，就是沒辦法全觀這個小孩的全體性。比如小孩如果說會考試的話…就是這方面他就是比較吃香，那如果他其他方面比較不行的話，也不會看到。就是那一次考試就定生死。所以爸爸是比較支持十二年國教這個作法。好，謝謝。
Draft
From Grade 1-9 Curriculum(九年一貫) to Twelve-Year Compulsory Education（十二年國教）, the educational policy in Taiwan kept changing in a speeding way that parents and students can hardly fol1ow the steps. The recent survey of United Daily News（聯合報）shows that more than half of the interviewers (parents) take Twelve-Year Compulsory Education as an immature policy.
Some of the famous educationists also take skeptical attitude toward Twelve-Year Compulsory Education. Is it only a way to break the myth of prestigious high schools? While comparing to the traditional way to enter high school, Twelve-Year Compulsory Education seems to be a fair way for students to enter the “equal-level” schools and everyone can get the equal teaching quality. But there are still many problems hidden under the fair face. The new way to enter high school ask students pay more efforts on the non-academic subjects such as “Arts and Humanities”, “physical education “and other extracurricular activities. The traditional scoring way which only emphasize on academic subjects is washed out. The purpose is to extend students’ learning areas and achieve the goal of major-balance. But for those students who have no chance to learn extra accomplishments or have other talents in addition to the traditional subjects, this policy makes another unfair problem.
And the most serious problem is, even though Twelve-Year Compulsory Education “solve” the problem of traditional Basic Competence Test（基本學力測驗）,after three years, students still have to take the Subject Ability Test（學科能力測驗）or Department Required Test（指定科目考試）. Since students ultimately still need to face the traditional college entrance academic examination, why not make the students just be prepared for this kind of examination? Or we should say Twelve-Year Compulsory Education is just a way for students to delay the torture of examination?
The system of twelve-year compulsory education is not so completely perfect, so it still have many problems.
回覆刪除Because we had 基測 before,
回覆刪除so i envy them for twelve-year compulsory education.
But the system leaves something to be desired and it needs time to prove that whether the policy is correct or not!
But i like the interviewee, the boy's father, said that he wants his kid to learn happily.
I think it's every child's right to learn happily!
I think exam has it pros and cons: it may distort the value of studying and cause pressure, though. It is fair for all students and it really is a good chance to shape their nature during dealing with challenges. For me, the whole social enviorment and our notion toward study needs to be changed, but not merely exam itself.
回覆刪除I prefer to have 基測.
回覆刪除It is impossible to have no pressure on studying.
We can accept the stress or ignore it, but we can't avoid it.
The policy is just a poison covered by candy wrapper.
I prefer having 基測, too.
回覆刪除The pressure from 基測 really makes students stronger.
If students don't take big exams, then grades will depend on how many talents they have such as painting or music instruments. That is a problem for children from the family without resources.
Pefer to have 基測+1
回覆刪除when we have other students that have close score around
we can have more motivation to learn
I think 基測 have it necessity and importance. It is no doubt that there will be no improvements if there are no pressures. However, what we need to think is that in our generation; teamwork is more important than only having intelligence. Removing 基測 could mix students from different background and work together as a team.
回覆刪除It's not easy for students to enter the good school nowadays.
回覆刪除We should change our policy but everytime it makes us disappointed.:(
My 15-year-old cousin against Twelve-Year Compulsory Education, but she said that is because she is brain-washing by her teachers...I wonder why teachers against it, and I think government really should think about it.
回覆刪除I prefer to have 基測 too, because I think it would be easier to study with classmates who have similar ability. If parents want their children to 適性發展, maybe they'll prefer modes like 指考?
回覆刪除I prefer to have 基測 too. Because I think the pressure of learning is an important key for children to be hard working to get good grades. If 適性發展, may lower the quality of studying on our next generation in the future.
回覆刪除I prefer to retain 基測 too.
回覆刪除Twelve-year compulsory education undoutedly decreases students' competitivenesses and the abilities to handle pressure.